(Bible Comment) Many says about this once saved always saved are: 1) How Son of God becoming later not Son of God? 2) Was there term Saved, Redumption, Holy Spirit for regular believers in OT? 3) Was Jews (Real Believers) are Saved in OT if Blood of Jesus is completion of Word of God? 4) Romans 8:20-26 says who ever called for later God justified, sanctified............how would you respond? With Love and Prayers
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. Please know there are NO sound arguments that can be presented for THE HERESY (once saved always saved) which can stand up under close examination. Let's look at what you sent:
● For the eternal security people to use this type of argument is to reveal their ignorance of Scripture. If once a son, always a son was true, then no one could ever get saved. Why? Because we were ALL sons of the evil one before we got saved initially and became a son of God (Mt. 13:38). The issue isn't that anyway! The issue is: Can a righteous person die spiritually by turning to evil? The answer is a definite and clear YES. Please see Spiritual Death.
● People were saved, had salvation and were justified in the Old Testament, though their faith was obviously not in the Lord Jesus. Read Hebrews 11 carefully, which shows among other Scriptures that people in the OT had salvation too, even before Jesus died for us. We are repeatedly told that Abraham was justified by faith in the NT (Rom. 4:3; Gal. 3:6; James 2:23) But again, don't miss the point. Those OT saints, as well as ALL in the NT, can die spiritually by turning to wickedness. Some did die spiritually and never returned to salvation!
● YES, some of the Jews were saved in the OT, even though that was before the blood of Jesus was poured out later. There were righteous people back then. Hence, they had salvation. Noah is a prime example of one with salvation, according to the apostle Peter (1 Peter 3:20).
● There is NOTHING in the entire eighth chapter of Romans which teaches eternal security!
We believe that we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9) but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4). We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) but our faith can become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20) and cease to exist (Lk. 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23). We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15) but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13). Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4) but he also taught that no immoral, impure or greedy person has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Eph. 5:5-7). We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9) but to reap eternal life and not destruction you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9). God is faithful to us (1 Jn. 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13) but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire or second death (Rev. 2:10,11). God surely loves us (Jn. 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39) but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (Jam 2:5; 1 Cor. 2:9) and to love God means to obey his commands (Jn. 14:15; 1 Jn. 5:3). We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1) but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16).
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Remember Jesus wasn't joking when he told those already saved the salvation truth in Matt. 10:22. God bless you.
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(Bible Question) Hi, I just got into a debate with an osas [once saved always saved] person who basically sought me out. he tried to sucker me in with a lie about not knowing much about theology. But when the debate got heated, the truth came out. He is evidently a pastor and has many pastor friends. Anyway, during the debate he bragged on cornering you on certain subjects concerning no-osas and you could not answer. His name is ___________. Here's what he said to lead me on after my response to him...Now I can hold my own with this guy but what is this inner man outer man thing he's using? I have debated over 50 osas people, I have never heard this. Is this some type of Calvinism?I think we no-osas people need to get together and trade ideas. The osas stick together.So should we. ...Anyway, keep up the good work
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. We have NEVER heard of ______________ that we can remember! If he has ever emailed and was never answered, that doesn't mean we can't answer, if we didn't. If we did or didn't isn't the issue though. The issue is, do they have anything solid to say on this matter. The answer is NO. Just the opposite! What they teach comes from demons and will always allow for wickedness without jeopardizing one's salvation. It is obviously satanic, but people love what the grace changers teach to the damnation of SOULS. That sounds hard and extreme, but isn't, based on Scripture.
The arguments we have heard about the flesh and inner man (if that is what he used or not we don't know) for a defense of THE HERESY usually goes like this: We as Christians MUST sin all the time, but it is the flesh which sins - not his inner man. Hence, a Christian can't die spiritually (or lose salvation) through sin!
What nonsense they teach! We can obey. We do NOT have to sin. We CAN resist the devil and temptation. The truth is clear, that is, the righteous can and do die spiritually if/when they turn to evil. See Spiritual Death. That fact is from cover to cover in the Bible, yet adamantly denied by the eternal security proponents. All the so-called "details" they spout off about the flesh and/or inner man are irrelevant to this issue. Don't let them confuse you. We NO Eternal Security people could do much better if we stuck together, but the devil has people divided over KJV Onlyism, Yeshua, Saturday Sabbath, etc. They stick together, but NO Eternal Security people want to elevate some lesser issue to have their own little ministry, group or following. They also, shockingly, often stick closer to the once saved always saved teachers than people like us!!!!!! It is a terrible day and holiness is not stressed as it should be even among people who reject THE HERESY.
Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, "The Believer's Conditional Security: Eternal Security Refuted." There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. This book is the greatest work ever written refuting eternal security. Your money will be fully refunded if not satisfied upon the return of the book in a re-sellable condition. It is available in hardback, softback and voicebook. Prompt shipment plus free materials with your book order. Order with credit card at 724-632-3210 or online at NO Eternal Security Book.
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[The following email was sent to Wikipedia from a ministry friend in regards to them showing religious discrimination against Evangelical Outreach and our book "The Believer's Conditional Security." Wikipedia is adversely affected by Calvinism and is NOT a reliable source of religious information.]
(Bible Question) ...here's the response I got from Wikipedia Blessing's
Thank you for suggesting a new entry in Wikipedia, the collaborative encyclopaedia written by its readers. The subjects for our articles are chosen by the editing community rather than by request.
If the entry qualifies under our notability guidelines ..., you can suggest the creation of it at ....
If one of our many editors feels the topic is worthwhile for inclusion, an entry will be created....
(Bible Answer) Thanks for sending us their response to you. The truth is: we were already in Wikipedia! We would not be a "new" entry. We were intentionally removed! Not only did we try to get back in ourselves, but another person did too and immediately we were ALL stopped and not allowed! Their editors are Calvinists and apparently have a special block on us because they fear our 801 page book, "The Believer's Conditional Security" so much they don't even want people to know it is available and the most exhaustive refutation to once saved always saved ever written.
Youtube is another enemy. They are owned by google.... The truth is: We have more materials and experience opposing once saved always saved than probably anyone on the internet, yet we have a very low ranking on google.... The Calvinists in control in these places hate us and allow others who are also NO Eternal Security people with a less forceful presentation to be exalted and known. There is NO QUESTION that we have been religiously discriminated against by Wikipedia.... and youtube [as well as godtube]. That is fact. The Calvinists are suppressing the truth we teach. May God help us.... [Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source for religious information! THAT IS FACT.]
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(Bible Question) Hello, I read your article about those who will not inherit the kingdom, this information disproves the belief of universal salvation. Universal salvation is growing and some of my friends have been caught up in this idea. ________...twists the scriptures and redifines words to support his teachings and the simple minded fall for it....
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. For any person to believe all people will be saved shows such a person has focused in upon only a certain few Scriptures to the exclusion of MANY, which can lead off into many false areas. Though grieving, many dangerously false doctrines are growing in our apostate day, just like we have been warned in 2 Tim. 4:3,4. There are MANY false teachers who have zeal and profess to be Christians. Such are very dangerous, but our day is so bad, often when one warns others he is looked upon as the heretic! May God help us all. Our battle is very intense and ongoing. God bless you.
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(Bible Question) Yes, I have recently been able to listen to a number of your debates with "Once Saved, Always Saved", advocates. I believe you have well presented the biblical Conditional Security view, which I also hold. In fact I haven't disagreed with anything you have said yet on your discussions. All in all though there is a question I have that has presented itself pertaining to Sin. That is worrying. You have said numerous times that WORRY is a sin, though maybe in the light of generic sin. Non-the-less, I am not completely convinced that worrying is a sin. I cannot find anything in scripture that says, "Thus sayeth the Lord, Worrying is sinful". May not, in that exact presentation but something that is conclusive to the subject of dogmatism. I would also include other (maybe) sins that I will classify as Generic. What about them? Is there PLAIN scripture on this subject? Thank You
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. Thanks for the compliments. It is GREAT to know you believe the same on NO Eternal Security. Several verses say worry is a sin, but not in those exact words:
...everything that does not come from faith is sin. (Rom 14:23)
Do not be anxious about anything... (Phil 4:6)
From those and other verses, one can deduce worry is a sin, but it is not a sin that leads to death as do the sins listed in 1 Cor. 6:9,10; Eph. 5:5-7; Rev. 21:8; etc. There is sin which does not lead to death (1 John 5:16,17). Not being completely humble and gentle is also a sin, as is not overflowing with thanksgiving to God.... God bless you. Rev. 21:4.
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(Bible Question) Greetings, I'd recently read your web-article on the title "Mother of God," as it was linked to in a discussion of the same....Orthodox and Catholics would say that Mary provided the flesh for the Word, but not His divinity, which He has in Himself in His Person, being a divine Person. I was worried that you were clearly suggesting that His humanity is something separate from His divinity, though. Isn't it something that all Evangelicals (along with Orthodox and Catholics) must say, that in Christ Jesus a human nature was united to the divine nature in His Person? Natures don't exist outside of persons, the Person of the Word cannot not be divine in nature, and as soon as the Lord deigned to be born in the flesh, was that flesh -- that nature -- not en-Personed in the Word, so that Mary did in fact give birth to God-in-the-flesh, and nurse the same? By saying that Mary is not the Mother of God, aren't we saying that Jesus is not a divine Person, that she gave birth to someone other than God, maybe someone united to God, but not God? Certainly no one is saying that she's the mother of the Father or the Spirit! Christ God preserve you!
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. Jesus is both God and man. He has always been God, but was NOT man until he became flesh when born in Bethlehem. Jesus got his humanity from Mary, not his deity. Jesus was called the Word before he took on flesh. He has always been in existence, but not Mary. Mary is only a human. That is all. She did NOT exist in heaven with Jesus before he became man and is NOT ruling in heaven now as the "Queen of Heaven," as Catholicism says.
You have somehow seemingly become obsessed with Mary. You should ponder Jesus, the only name in which salvation is found (Acts 4:12). You need your mind enlightened with God's word. Mary had VERY LITTLE importance in the New Testament. What a shock that was for me to observe as a Catholic, many years ago. NOTE: Mary was NEVER mentioned in any salvation message ever taught in the New Testament! Not even once! That includes by Peter, John, Paul, etc.! They better understood all the theological issues than we do today, yet placed NO emphasis on Mary. In fact, Peter NEVER even mention Mary once in either of his two epistles. Did you know that?
To say Mary is the Mother of God is to imply she existed before God (or Jesus), which is impossibly ridiculous! So how is that flawed. It is flawed because Mary is the mother of the "man" Jesus. She gave birth to him. She is his mother in that sense only. She did NOT give birth to his deity. Also, Mary is NEVER called the "Mother of God" in the Bible and neither should a present-day professing Christian call her that. WHY go beyond Scripture into a dangerous realm? Stay in the Scriptures and you'll be safe. Remember 2 Tim. 3:16,17.
Please know salvation is NOT found in Mary, the sacraments and being a Catholic. Salvation is found in JESUS. Jesus is "our life, sweetness and hope," NOT Mary. The Mary of Catholicism is a fabrication, which evolved over the centuries into the extreme view taught by Catholicism today. Do you know about our book, Is This The Mary Of The Bible? God bless you.
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(Bible Question) Dear Sir, I am a former Southern Baptist Minister that has come to understand the truth about "once saved always saved"(I now pastor a _________ Church in ________).When some of my Southern Baptist friends found out it was liked I had come down with the plauge. They will not even talk to me or respond to e-mail or face book post. I just wanted to let you know that finding your site is a blessing and Thank You for it. Yours IN Christ
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. It is GREAT to read your have left the Southern Baptist church. Thank you Lord!
You mentioned how your S. Baptist friends now treat you. You are blessed, but they aren't. They remain with their false gospel and counterfeit grace message to the damnation of SOULS. May God help you shine bright in your part of the world.
Do you know about our two books refuting once saved always saved? The crowning one is "The Believer's Conditional Security." It is 801 pages and loaded. You can read more here, if you want: NO Eternal Security Book.
How did you come to learn there is NO Eternal Security? Remember 1 Tim. 4:16. GOD BLESS YOU.
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(Bible Question) Hello, I've been reading your articles on adultery. My question is what to when divorced couples who have remarried, realize they are living in sin. Not that they have admitted that they are living in sin, but because I love them I want to be able to show them from God's Word that they are in fact living in sin, but then, what do they do about it? So my question is, scripturally, should they divorce, again?
I have three siblings who have been divorced and remarried as well as three of our children. One sibling's husband has died, but that was after she had married again, and she married a divorced man. Whether his wife is alive or not, I don't know. Thank you so much and God bless your ministry,
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. We do NOT understand all the details, so we can't give exact answers, which probably would be rejected by those you would speak to.
People in a marriage which is not recognized by God as a marriage, are often severely trapped. (The devil has done a good job ensnaring people in various ways.) If a person is not in a real marriage in the eyes of God, he/she is in adultery and therefore on the road to hell. The adultery must stop and they need to seek forgiveness to enter God's kingdom after death. There are no Christian adulterers. Hopefully that helps. May God help you reach people with God's eternal truth in this adulterous generation.
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(Bible Question) as ive read read on rapture i have pray and prayed ,,sudden I saw how decieved the churches are....Saw finally what you said on scriptures I was totally it is True ....matt-24;9-10 and on again in 2 thess 2;3 then oh On rev-12[11 and rev 7-9-17 rev -20 4-6 and Many believers will fall away ....is this because they see the true Truth is seeing the inichrist they will be discourage ohhh God Help us ...and take the 666 ..and we want to see jesus and Heaven will be killed....then? What must we do before that time Comes ...keep our faith keep praying keep believing in him...keep Trust he will protect us ???and saved our families yes well to tell You the truth I believed how u believed because if he Suffer for our sins suffer his precious blood he saved us Amein.....we thank thy lord for he is good and his mercy endures forever And duet.31-6 and psalms 91 and psalms 27 and greater is he that is In us that is the world amein.... our father is greater so then tell us What must we do meanw hile we are still in world ???ive not found a church Like your here at all... this is strange its sooo hot here and then To night as im finish the air and lightning start and rain Clouds forming all over as tears of jesus rain I was saying oh no oh no We are going to be thru all and lighting start saw noises evn
Our dog wake -up its 12-31 in ____ ... and iv send this to _________ she firm believer in pre-trip wow... and many amein... but tonight im not anymore....forgive us lord we pray abba father for my families Amein...... please let me know what church is here in ___________...plz pray for us we do have lots of trials ...hard ship we...we have Lift to prayers and believed God hears our prayers thanks so much For relating the whole truth amein and .....pray for the people with pre Trib..!!!! it is lie amein but tonight at from 5pm im reading And discover this at 11pm aug--7th--2010 and well im going to keep Believeing God will protect at that time its hiswill and time and Respect him amein... God bless you...good nite and God is Good
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. Like many dear people who would love to find even a semi-sound church in their area, you are having trouble too. We are very sorry, but not surprised! We are now IN a worldwide apostasy, which will precede the rise of antichrist. Draw near to God and keep yourself pure as wickedness continues to abound.
Many dear saints are going through painful trials. Keep pressing on. Keep your eye on the finish line. ALL of these earthly tests now will mean NOTHING 100 years from now. The important thing is to stay pure before God.
The pre-trib rapture scares us too because of all the hurt people there will be when SERIOUS TROUBLE crashs down on us, including the antichrist, BEFORE the rapture. They will NOT escape this test, as they have been taught! Imagine believing in a pre-trib rapture AND once saved always saved during the days of the antichrist! People will take the mark to avoid trouble, but can't avoid the spiritual trouble because of taking the mark over that one act (sin).
Victory is dying with a pure heart. GOD BLESS YOU. Rev. 21:4 and 1 Cor. 2:9.
Thanks for the kind words. It is our blessing to help people like you. God bless you.
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(Bible Question) I have just read this [on a website]:
A Christian is assured of salvation, because the Bible states clearly that God does the choosing and once one is chosen by God, he is chosen for eternity and cannot lose his salvation. Those who do not believe in Jesus, do not believe in Jesus because, very simply, they have not been chosen by God. "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." (John 10:26-30 AV) Once one is chosen for salvation, one cannot "unchoose" oneself. That would mean God made a mistake, and it would also mean that man can overrule God?s choice, which would make God a liar and man more powerful than God. Read in Matthew 7:23 what Jesus will say to the unsaved at the final judgement. He will say he never knew them. It is not that they once were known by God and then they fell from grace.
I think it is a very good site, but here he talks about eternal security. I have for many years not believed in OSAS. I have to be sure what is right.
This statement above has made me insecure! ....
I have written to the author and asked him what then does it mean all God's "IF"..if you endure to the end..and so on and so on.
(Bible Answer) Greetings in Jesus' name. What that person wrote is a basic summary of several of the points of the false theology known as Calvinism. All 5 points are clearly HERETICAL (with the 5th point - once saved always saved - being the most DEADLY). Man has free will both before and after initial salvation and his bad choice to sin can bring forth spiritual death. Hence, a person with salvation can lose it temporarily as happened to David, Solomon, Peter, etc. or permanently as with Judas, etc.
The site you got that quote from can NOT be a very good site because of the DANGEROUS info it teaches about salvation! For example: If a person is served restaurant food which is partly good but some has a dangerous poisonous and deadly mold through it, would you consider it a very good restaurant? Never. Similarly, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any Calvinistic site, congregation or ministry to be one which any Christian should promote! Calvinism is NOT Biblical and therefore, not even close to something spiritually wholesome.
Please grab your Bible and look up the answers to the questions found in this Bible Quiz. It is related to once saved always saved.
The many "IFs" related to salvation (1 Cor. 15:2; Heb. 3:14; etc.) are enough proof to show there is NO Eternal Security. MUCH more evidence is also available, and can be found in our books, "The Believer's Conditional Security" and "The Myth of Eternal Security."
**Remember, Calvinism allows open blasphemy against the Lord Jesus as being done by a so-called Christian. Proof of that is found in the blasphemous Calvinist teacher, Mark Driscoll, who they consider a Christian.
GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.
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